Peter Shulman's War

This blog is a place for the thousands of people who visit and email from the web site Peter Shulmans War. I thought that it was about time the viewers of the war site had a place to contact and communicate with each other about plastic modeling, war gaming and anything else of interest.

Monday, July 24, 2006

Tigers against Pershings ?

Now that the new war site is up I can get back in the woods and go on with the game. I have a battle on right now in one section that I am having a hard time deciding how to play. A battalion of Tiger II tanks from the gray army has run into a group of M26 green army tanks. They are almost equal in number and are coming straight at each other.

I am fairly sure this never actualy happened during WW II certainly not in these numbers. Was the M26 90mm able to penetrate a Tiger and could the Tigers 88 take out an M26?

I hope someone with an opinion drops by here. The new site is up at
Hope you will visit.


At 7:35 AM, Anonymous crow said...

I think that both guns could penetrate. The M26 may have been faster. The frontal armor on the Tiger was thicker.
I think first see first shoot is the best way to play this one Peter.
The new site design is great and the pictures are much brighter. Keep up the good work.

At 11:26 AM, Anonymous Colonel Werner said...

In armor the King tiger had the thicker in front 102mm (pershing) 150mm (tiger) but the turret armor was about equal 102mm v 100mm.

The King Tiger had the upgraded KwK 43 88mm gun. It had a muzzle velocity of 1000m per second when firing armor piercing rounds.
able to penetrate 150mm of armor at distances exceeding 2200m assuming a sraight shot with perfect ammo.

The Pershing 90mm 53 caliber gun could defeat the Tiger II (King Tiger) armor out to 1300 meters, while the Tiger II (King Tiger) 88mm 71 caliber gun could penetrate the Pershing armor out to 1800 meters - a pretty close match, with the Pershing having the edge in mobility.

Of course I got all this off the internet so it could all be very wrong.

Lets see some photos and a report after this battle.

Like the new site and I think this blog is a great idea. I hope it gets used often.

Colonel Werner
97th armored regiment
13th armored division
IX corps
Green Army (Peters War)

At 8:33 PM, Anonymous B. Fields said...

It looks like you were right about these tanks not meeting in large numbers during the war. I found the paragraph below in a book about the 3rd armored division in WW II.

"Only three days before the 3rd Armored Division's final combat action of WWII, a Super Pershing of the 33rd Armored Regiment met and defeated the most powerful and most heavily armored German tank of the war - the legendary 77-ton King Tiger, also known as the Tiger II or Tiger Royal. It would be the first and only meeting between a King Tiger and the Super Pershing, a modified standard M26 Pershing weighing 53 tons."

I assume your Pershings aren't this super thing. In fact I can't seem to find any specs on this mark of M26.
I hope your battle goes well but I kinda root for the Tigers. The allies were just lucky they didn't make more of them earlier.

The site looks great I truly like visiting it.
B. fields

At 6:27 AM, Blogger Peter said...

Thanks for the input, The fight is turning out very even. So far 10 tigers and 8 pershings lost.
It is nice to hear from you colonel. It has been a long time.
I also can't seem to find info on the super pershing B but thank you for taking the time to post that quote.
The tigers have pulled back and gone hull down so the pershings are staying out of range for now. Eventualy I will have to work out an attack plan but for now I am working on other battles in other areas of the mountain.

At 1:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your are Nice. And so is your site! Maybe you need some more pictures. Will return in the near future.

At 7:09 PM, Blogger Peter said...

Some new pictures up now hope you stop in.

At 8:21 PM, Anonymous Rodney Postillion said...

Hello Peter, there are a very old set of rules called Tractics that cover WWII through the 60's. Their strength was that the vehicle data provided accurate armor and range penetration including sloping of armor. sdmall unit infantry combat is excellent and I use it for 1/32nd gaming. Tank ranges go well beyond a 100 inches depending on the gunbarrel. bunkers assault craft demolitions, artillery you name it are all are all handled. I think it would be a good fit for your land war, not that you need to change at this point but I thought I would throw it out there? it will solve most of your data questions.I have an extra copy if you cannot find one, let me know and I will donate it to your war and mail it to you.--Rodney Postillion


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